tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post5216145828157598686..comments2023-11-05T03:13:48.397-08:00Comments on PVP Makes Me Sad: Nice! I'm totally being sarcastic right now.timhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05183652264190911338noreply@blogger.comBlogger98125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-80895988947242451712008-03-08T19:01:00.000-08:002008-03-08T19:01:00.000-08:00I actually don't tend to read comment threads that...I actually don't tend to read comment threads that closely, usually because they're usually pretty repetitive. I actually failed to scan this one until today.<BR/> <BR/>I'm only pointing this out so that it's known that I did not, in fact, intend to rip off someone else's idea. Honest to God. And I'm really glad to see I wasn't the only one with this inclination, either. Precious little seriously pisses me off online anymore, but somehow this blog just makes me want to smack someone.The Fake Ms. McCloudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11020994082054531729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-25306740221231334692008-01-24T05:45:00.000-08:002008-01-24T05:45:00.000-08:00I'm guessing Fake Scott is Gabe, or possibbly Tych...I'm guessing Fake Scott is Gabe, or possibbly Tycho, having some fun. Things have been too quiet on the PA v. PvP front lately, and a fancy lad could get bored...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-61680874473451553692008-01-23T20:56:00.000-08:002008-01-23T20:56:00.000-08:00I guess my thing is that sarcasm is just a bit of ...I guess my thing is that sarcasm is just a bit of an under-reaction, it rings hollow. Your oldest, best friend who you've asked to be best man has just expressed a total lack of confidence in you, and all you have to say is "nice?"<BR/><BR/>That's what you say when someone drops their lunch tray, not when they stab you in the back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-77601215604713238452008-01-23T20:15:00.000-08:002008-01-23T20:15:00.000-08:00I must say that those of you wasting time flaming ...I must say that those of you wasting time flaming have less of a life than you accuse FSMC of having. <BR/><BR/>I'd call his analysis more of a hobby than an obsession. That being said, it takes a lot of guts to post his thoughts like this. Same with Scott K, for those of you that haven't published anything it takes a lot of nerve to step past that boundary of "maybe it's not good enough" and "what if no one likes it." <BR/><BR/>I can't say that PVP is my favorite comic, but it is a regular stop along with 3 others. While it may have slid down from it's original material, so what? The characters have grown and changed. There's a line between Mary Worth and Garfield, to me, PVP skirts it.<BR/><BR/>Kudos, FSMC. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-87619136251257510182008-01-23T17:00:00.000-08:002008-01-23T17:00:00.000-08:00Rex, it's obvious that your grasp of sarcasm is ab...Rex, it's obvious that your grasp of sarcasm is about as strong as Kurtz's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-77904337777330280792008-01-23T15:36:00.000-08:002008-01-23T15:36:00.000-08:00xI agree with a lot of what is being said by FSM. ...xI agree with a lot of what is being said by FSM. I mean, I LIKE PVP and log in nearly every day. But it just hasn't been very good for a long, long time.<BR/><BR/>Could be that Scott is phoning it in because he has other projects going, could be because he has run out of good ideas, could be that I've just outgrown comic strips.<BR/><BR/>In any case, I have to say that FSM is showing a whole lot more class here than the fans of PVP. Scott, take this more seriously than your fanbase. Someone has taken the time to give a good organized critique of your work and has given solid reason why he is critiquing it. Take it to heart and improve your strip, lest you be left with ONLY the fanboy base that is showing no class.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-51379157428502759062008-01-23T15:01:00.000-08:002008-01-23T15:01:00.000-08:00Man! I wasted all this time reading this blog whe...Man! I wasted all this time reading this blog when I could have been playing with my XBOX 360!<BR/><BR/>I have but one word for this blog:<BR/><BR/>gaaaaaaayy!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-15731967436729608682008-01-23T12:54:00.000-08:002008-01-23T12:54:00.000-08:00"kay, as a sexually active female I would just lik..."kay, as a sexually active female I would just like to say that you will probably never get a bit of pussy with that attitude. You are kind of acting like a 14 year old girl who has just started the rag and doesn't know how to deal with it.<BR/><BR/>Calm the fuck down and stop being such a bloody cunt fart."<BR/><BR/>I might just say, that if that actually IS a female, it's not. No female would be that fucking stupid.<BR/><BR/>As for the blog, I never really thought about it before, but you brought up some cogent points. The 'Kahn' reference was sorta badly put in there, and the end of the Santa arc was pointless.<BR/><BR/>The rest of you, shame on yourselves. fucking SHAME!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-69918683099842204472008-01-23T11:14:00.000-08:002008-01-23T11:14:00.000-08:00I had the same problem with this strip. Scott is c...I had the same problem with this strip. Scott is currently obsessed with drawing his characters from behind to achieve a more three dimensional look but in this case it really hurt the story. I know the characters well enough to guess correctly how it is meant but it doesn't read well.Ribbon Questhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08983459434683561941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-53672099191155543212008-01-23T10:30:00.000-08:002008-01-23T10:30:00.000-08:00I hope this doesn't get lost in the morass of imma...I hope this doesn't get lost in the morass of immaturity, but here it goes:<BR/>I've been reading PvP for years, I've enjoyed the humor and the characters. I've most enjoyed his attempts at bringing a more serious attitude to his otherwise slapstick characters. I feel that over time, I've come to know these characters fairly well. You said that perhaps the artist has grown too close to his own characters. I don't know about him, but I sure have. I can't honestly think of a reaction the character Brent would have had there other than hurt outrage, expressed typically through sarcasm. Sure he (Mr. Kurtz) may have left it ambiguous for newer or less frequent readers, but in time, when his intended atmosphere becomes more obvious, this strip will be an example of the behavior of his characters. It'll be more obvious to people who read this storyline what the likely meaning is the next time a slightly ambiguous panel comes along. The readers understanding of the characters will grow overall.<BR/>At least, that's what I think.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-75037624391415346262008-01-23T09:27:00.000-08:002008-01-23T09:27:00.000-08:00Oh, come on people. Criticism is good and even ne...Oh, come on people. Criticism is good and even necessary for art. Stop being fanboys. If there are things that could be improved upon in PVP, let the man speak. Just because you enjoy the strip doesn't mean its flawless. Personally, I find many of the criticisms accurate, even though I still read and enjoy PVP.JMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17853573396840369358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-45347394282400892882008-01-23T09:15:00.000-08:002008-01-23T09:15:00.000-08:00Just seems like your trying to piggyback of Scott'...Just seems like your trying to piggyback of Scott's work with your critics, perhaps people would view your work better if you reviewed a number of webcomics or linked some of your own work(?).It would make it less obvious that your just doing this for the shock value of 'sticking it to the man'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-37761698401830278872008-01-23T08:40:00.000-08:002008-01-23T08:40:00.000-08:00People seem to like embracing relativism. Just bec...People seem to like embracing relativism. Just because you don't like the comic doesn't mean that you just have to completely ignore it. It's this kind of attitude that makes people complacent and we become ignorant to things around us.<BR/><BR/>The funny thing is most of these people while want to support the idea that you should ignore something you don't like instead of making it known that you don't like it... are fucking hypocrites. They're bitching at you for posting your opinion when they're doing the same. Hypocrisy is so fun!<BR/><BR/>Now, I certainly don't think that there's really anything to be gained by writing a blog about one webcomic and what's wrong with it. I don't think I could ever agree with half of your assumptions, but just as I'm doing by commenting you, you have every right to post as you are. Everybody else just needs to shut up and take their own advice and just leave it alone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-526083512884254132008-01-23T08:39:00.000-08:002008-01-23T08:39:00.000-08:00The others say "analysis".. well i say pure stupid...The others say "analysis".. well i say pure stupidity :P Worse even... philosophy... <BR/><BR/>If your friend says your a irresponsible looser, and ur not going to marry the girl you love... <BR/><BR/>i mean.. you just CANT be sarcastic about that :P Bren overreacted but he thought the right way...<BR/><BR/>Thats what makes PVP better than the daily newspaper Garfield strip, the Characters Evolve, their like real people, Just like a Sitcom...<BR/><BR/>Ehh... well you suck... you cant even figure out a decent nick...<BR/><BR/>k.. Bye.. ;PUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12570438781364132040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-5385320542603854022008-01-23T08:27:00.000-08:002008-01-23T08:27:00.000-08:00FSM, your blog is fascinating and excellent critic...FSM, your blog is fascinating and excellent criticism. It's great that Scott Kurtz takes it seriously, but it's a shame he couldn't do so quietly, instead of inadvertently setting his fans on you like rabid dogs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-84361956863987473192008-01-23T08:19:00.000-08:002008-01-23T08:19:00.000-08:00THANK YOU for being the voice of reason in this in...THANK YOU for being the voice of reason in this insane world that gives PVP so much attention. I read it every day, and for no other reason than the other strips out there are either written even worse, have no artistic value of note, or don't come out often enough to be interesting. PVP is like the bad sitcom that you're just used to watching, and since you know the characters and (predictable) plot lines, you just keep watching it, rather than try out a new sitcom for a few weeks (or months). Far preferable is scary go round, which keeps a consistent (weekday) schedule, has MUCH better writing, and British humour, which garners extra points. <BR/><BR/>In any case, thank you for this blog, I'll be coming back often.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-14677541259930649212008-01-23T08:18:00.000-08:002008-01-23T08:18:00.000-08:00I agree with you wholeheartedly, man. I two have ...I agree with you wholeheartedly, man. I two have somehow fallen into PVP and read it for years, but I thought that I was the only one who found it mediocre. It's like the pap I read when I've read all the webcomics I like - the filler that keeps me going.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-58031535915777432902008-01-23T07:43:00.000-08:002008-01-23T07:43:00.000-08:00I totally understood this panel on my first readin...I totally understood this panel on my first reading. Scott was detailed enough to include Brent's furrowed eyebrow in his profile, which gives us the expression on his face, which in turn lets us understand the sarcasm in his words.<BR/><BR/>I do agree with a lot of your other critiques in other posts, but not this one.The Sharkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09310081508496496402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-32966511153290420082008-01-23T07:38:00.000-08:002008-01-23T07:38:00.000-08:00Fan Boys VS Haters, and there can be no winner. I ...Fan Boys VS Haters, and there can be no winner. I have only myself to blame for reading every comment.<BR/><BR/>Does FSM have no life? The blog is still pretty new, started in December, and blogs don't take a lot to start these days. Some of these reactions might have weight if this guys been doing this for years. He could be doing all this on his lunch break.<BR/><BR/>It's a little sad to see the point of the critiquing exercise missed by so many, including the Critic himself. Critiquing is best when it's an open dialog. Why isn't the Critic responding to comments? Why aren't people discussing the strip, rather than attacking each other?<BR/><BR/>This guy isn't wrong in his opinions of PVP, while it would be nice to see his motivations explained. How can we know for sure if his posts are in earnest or created for the sole purpose of upsetting the PVP fanbase?<BR/><BR/>If Kurtz is serious about taking this guys criticisms to heart, it shows a real willingness to conquer his own self-admitted complacency in his work. I hope he didn't just say so while sending his readers to take the critic down.<BR/><BR/>As for FSM, if you're intentions are honorable, and they need to be so to lend credibility to this exercise, you wouldn't have taken so many opportunities to incite these attacks. The name of your blog, the screen name, the aggressive put downs of the work...<BR/>All of these point to you asking for a flame war.<BR/><BR/>Good luck with your blog, I might visit again, because controversy is interesting, but I'm much more likely to continue regularly following all things Kurtz. <BR/><BR/>See? I'm a PVP Fan Boy and we're not all horrible.Lee Cherolishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00957179151658179446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-87576373528897909532008-01-23T07:36:00.000-08:002008-01-23T07:36:00.000-08:00Sarcasim not only requires effort, but context.I'm...Sarcasim not only requires effort, but context.<BR/><BR/>I'm hardly a fan of PvP, but I don't hate it either. There are story arcs to it, and any reader can go back and start on one, and read through. If they don't want to do that, then the probably aren't going to enjoy the strip.<BR/><BR/>Taking a line out of context from the rest of the strip makes it ambiguous.<BR/><BR/>But please continue. Searching for minute details to deride in someone elses work is the sign of a brilliant mind.<BR/><BR/>Can you follow that, or should I put the above comment in some sort of sarcastic lettering.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-62004026844422771892008-01-23T07:09:00.000-08:002008-01-23T07:09:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Bardyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10507469027309438865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-59079771355508403452008-01-23T07:05:00.000-08:002008-01-23T07:05:00.000-08:00As someone who frequently reads webcomics (my favo...As someone who frequently reads webcomics (my favourites are <A HREF="http://www.achewood.com" REL="nofollow"/>, <A HREF="http://www.qwantz.com" REL="nofollow"/>, <A HREF="http://www.pbfcomic.com" REL="nofollow"/>, <A HREF="http://www.xkcd.com" REL="nofollow"/> and <A HREF="http://www.penny-arcade.com" REL="nofollow">Penny Arcade</A>), I must say that PvP does have the weakest writing of any of the popular ones that I've encountered. It really is around the level of Garfield sometimes.<BR/><BR/>However, that being said, I still get a chuckle now and then. I get a chuckle from Garfield now and then. Sure, it's usually subpar, but if it has moments that make you laugh, it's worth it, right?<BR/><BR/>My point is...I see your idea with this blog, but PvP isn't really a worthy target to pick apart. It's not awful. It's not even that bad. It's just mediocre is all, which, as everyone from Oasis to Jim Davis knows, is not really a crime.Bardyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10507469027309438865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-70279723463958258192008-01-23T07:02:00.000-08:002008-01-23T07:02:00.000-08:00to "lol are all funny"the argument about people co...to "lol are all funny"<BR/><BR/>the argument about people commenting here having no life either is ridiculous. this guy's spent hours critiquing scott's strip. it takes me 5 minutes to skim through this blog, and an extra 30 seconds to make this post.<BR/><BR/>to think that i have no life for replying to this? that's just idiotic on your part<BR/><BR/>and yeah, this fake scott mccloud clearly has no life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-81568348580750156012008-01-23T06:33:00.000-08:002008-01-23T06:33:00.000-08:00Guys, I almost hate to add to the posts, but someb...Guys, I almost hate to add to the posts, but somebody at least has to TRY to stop the madness. I guarantee that when this guy sees the 75 posts that you made, his first thought will not be "OH NO! PEOPLE THINK I'M DUMB!"<BR/><BR/>More likely it will be "cool, 75 hits."<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure what Scott was thinking posting to this site either, but then again, I don't personally know the guy.<BR/><BR/>Just a thought though... if a guy who writes critiques of webcomics has no life, what does that make somebody who writes critiques of somebody who writes critiques of webcomics. Then again, here I am writing a critique about people writing a critique about some guy writing a critique about a webcomic... my head hurts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-4287950383257055912008-01-23T06:12:00.000-08:002008-01-23T06:12:00.000-08:00I think the problem here is you've crossed from cr...I think the problem here is you've crossed from critiquing his comic, into wanting to write it yourself.<BR/><BR/>If you can draw, make your own comic, if you can't, learn. <BR/><BR/>I think you are missing the point of life here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com