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learn it, lov...http://pesawsayewdnd.blogspot.com/<br /><br /><br />learn it, love it, link it!R.W.McGeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06509063502719145043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-18688675038645107782009-08-21T17:05:32.322-07:002009-08-21T17:05:32.322-07:00Ok, I've gotten the initial traffic, but I'...Ok, I've gotten the initial traffic, but I'm sort of leaning toward Jai's site design, clearly he's spent more time on it.<br /><br />I will see what people think, but the PVPMMS Remix may be brief.<br /><br />MORE NEWS AS IT BREAKS! =PR.W.McGeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06509063502719145043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-75635808186913218862009-08-21T16:45:37.439-07:002009-08-21T16:45:37.439-07:00I'm glad I didn't try to make a blog...I'm glad I didn't try to make a blog...TheOriginalJeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00421469673726761084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-61323406633544235392009-08-21T16:41:25.722-07:002009-08-21T16:41:25.722-07:00Oops. I've been slowly piecing together a temp...Oops. I've been slowly piecing together a temporary replacement PVPMMS blog, too! I don't have time to wrap up my efforts, but RW has spurred me into non-silence on the matter. There's a link in my profile -- send me your email address if you want an author invitation, RW / Jes. <br /><br />(If you think the place is shit, then just send me an invite to your place, RW!) :)Jaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050713941578754388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-31483224880686757252009-08-21T16:09:26.382-07:002009-08-21T16:09:26.382-07:00See ya's on the other side...See ya's on the other side...TheOriginalJeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00421469673726761084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-253557969000817412009-08-21T15:59:16.180-07:002009-08-21T15:59:16.180-07:00I need a new thread. Scrolling through 113 comment...I need a new thread. Scrolling through 113 comments and growing is starting to give me carpal tunnel =)<br /><br />To that end, I've created an alternate PvP Makes Me Sad blog at <br /><br />http://pvpmakesmesadtoo.blogspot.com/<br /><br />I can drop new threads there and hopefully Jai or TheOrignalJes will volunteer to do some analysis. Let me know what you guys think, I'm still trying to figure out a less annoying background color.R.W.McGeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06509063502719145043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-49247723633441002552009-08-21T14:59:58.159-07:002009-08-21T14:59:58.159-07:00I suppose some of us may have parents who have fre...I suppose some of us may have parents who have frequently shown photos from their childhood, but not everybody would immediately recognise their pre-adult parents outside of a context in which they're expecting the sight. I don't think I would.A Nonny Mousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16675857058628123752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-13120859994188480592009-08-21T14:46:33.607-07:002009-08-21T14:46:33.607-07:00I wasn't really surprised by Cole's reacti...I wasn't really surprised by Cole's reaction. We had no reason to believe that Cole would expect his father to keep things from him.<br /><br />I think a lot of Cole's childhood understandings are coming into question. Expect an upcoming title such as "Illusions Shattered".TheOriginalJeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00421469673726761084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-28434907925182924902009-08-21T14:44:16.843-07:002009-08-21T14:44:16.843-07:00A white-on-white Cooper Mini...Motto Mafioso, Sign...A white-on-white Cooper Mini...Motto Mafioso, Signore Kurtz!TheOriginalJeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00421469673726761084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-49452246046197962152009-08-21T14:12:47.112-07:002009-08-21T14:12:47.112-07:00I feel like the only thing that would hurt this st...I feel like the only thing that would hurt this storyline is if there's literally no reason for Cole not to have put 2+2 together earlier, regarding his father. Or, maybe, if the humor cuts out completely (As in Gins Of The Father, unless you count that KSSCM was overlooked completely by SSCM's enemy. It's kind of funny. KSSCM is clearly a parody of classic pathetic child characters that are written into shows for a limited run where they don't really belong, perhaps solely for a commercial purpose. Even the enemies don't know he exists). Is the story strong enough to engage readers without being woven into the usual bit of comedy? Otherwise, I agree that the whole affair looks promising. The joke today was good, and I can imagine that I'd be as excited as Cole if I'd learned something that momentous about my own father (Whose past I know only a little of. Ah, family).<br /><br />If SSCM is still being traced, then it's from more esoteric photos than I'm immediately familiar with (The first two poses were pretty much from the only two iconic pictures I was ever aware of, so who knows. I don't have a reason to go looking). If he's not, then Scott realized that the power was inside of <i>him</i> all along!Jaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050713941578754388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-220259890407326572009-08-21T09:49:18.171-07:002009-08-21T09:49:18.171-07:00[I'm also abnormally pleased that this one com...[I'm also abnormally pleased that this one comment section has almost become a website of it's own.]TheOriginalJeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00421469673726761084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-75011029355071474602009-08-21T09:48:22.457-07:002009-08-21T09:48:22.457-07:00Gins Of The Father -
I think Scott's done a ...Gins Of The Father - <br /><br />I think Scott's done a fair enough job (based on what little of the story we've seen thus far) of depicting a relatively loser-ish Dad for Cole. If Brent's dad is Felix, Cole's dad is Oscar. <br /><br />This may even be what Scott was talking about before Brent's wedding, when he said that there was an intense background between Brent's Dad (forgot his name, damnit) and Cole. Go ahead, I'm reading.<br /><br />I'm interested to see where this can go. But, I'd like to see some real, in-depth background and/or some intense unfolding of events.<br /><br />I do have some concerns:<br /><br />- Scott's delving into something that doesn't fit how he's described his own life experiences. He doesn't always write too well for those situations. But, if this new character is based on someone from his past; This could get big. really big.<br /><br />- We don't usually get to see alot of in-comic main storyline with PVP. We normally just get to see some side gags and on-liners, like when Scratch took on Zeus. <br /><br />I'm officially pleading - Scott, please let this unfold in front of us.<br /><br />If I'm right, we may get to see Cole's inner child make a break for it. Or, at least, I'm hoping for it.<br /><br />I wasn't very impressed with today's strip other than to see that SSCM is still being drawn well. (If it's a trace, I just don't care.) But, as I started to examine the implications of the last three strips as a whole, I was able to appreciate more of the storytelling that has kept me glued to PVP for the past 3 years.TheOriginalJeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00421469673726761084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-6087019718241169742009-08-21T01:03:05.988-07:002009-08-21T01:03:05.988-07:00"Getting away with tracing photographs instea...<i>"Getting away with tracing photographs instead of doing some original work is a terrible example of how to be a successful artist" - me</i><br /><br /><i>"Personally I dislike this aesthetic, particularly when applied to superhero comics, as I feel it is reductive and a lot of the time ends up looking stilted and ironically unconvincing, and I much prefer to see an artist's individual style rather than a series of traced photographs"<br /><br />"What I don't do is copy or trace the photographs exactly, as I feel that can rob the drawing of its character and spontaneity, and also appear quite lazy" - Cameron</i>Jaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050713941578754388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-41201997002442165492009-08-21T00:12:49.279-07:002009-08-21T00:12:49.279-07:00Also, Jai, I am proud of my artwork.
99% of it is...Also, Jai, I am proud of my artwork.<br /><br />99% of it is not produced by tracing photos. I think it's obvious that I use tracing photos in very specific situations and on a limited basis, just as Cameron suggests.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14414050319555116067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-85793427223997547102009-08-21T00:09:31.492-07:002009-08-21T00:09:31.492-07:00Jai,
I don't feel Cameron's blog supports...Jai,<br /><br />I don't feel Cameron's blog supports your opinion. Your opinion was<br /><br />"Getting away with tracing photographs instead of doing some original work is a terrible example of how to be a successful artist, and makes a perfect hypocrite of Kurtz for his double standard of original content"<br /><br />That's not Cameron's opinion. Far from it I feel.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14414050319555116067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-35366795703092533552009-08-20T18:30:16.219-07:002009-08-20T18:30:16.219-07:00How funny. Cameron is directly backing up my point...How funny. Cameron is directly backing up my point of view on the matter. You're a very weird person sometimes, Scott. I wonder why you felt compelled to point out that you are certain you have little to learn from me (Because, lacking any proof at all, you're sure I can't trace things as well as you can -- what a weird thing to say, as if you're proud of tracing a photo), and then that Cameron has opened your eyes. Are you indirectly trying to admit that I really might know what I'm talking about?<br /><br />Hey, remember when Merlin told you that the 2- and 3-star reviews are the most worthwhile to read (Because they clearly aren't focused on ass-kissing and clearly aren't focused on shitting completely over the product -- they're in the middle, and either see both sides better or are more honest)? <i>We</i> are the people that make your 2- and 3-star review comments.Jaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050713941578754388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-74313280264032284502009-08-20T17:58:14.130-07:002009-08-20T17:58:14.130-07:00How funny. Cameron Stewart talks about this photo ...How funny. Cameron Stewart talks about this photo stuff in his blog. I highly respect Cameron and his opinions and found his thoughts and demonstration to be VERY helpful.<br /><br />Check it out as it is germaine to our discussion here.<br /><br />http://cameronstewart.blogspot.com/2009/08/photo-reference.htmlScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14414050319555116067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-50601163445481579072009-08-20T14:14:04.185-07:002009-08-20T14:14:04.185-07:00Scott,
My last post, from "On another note -...Scott,<br /><br />My last post, from "On another note -" and beyond; was meant under a theoretical microscope of a day-to-day context vs. setting immutable guidelines.<br /><br />What I mean to say is this:<br /><br />[-"The only thing that's really missing is a formal declaration from Scott Kurtz that he is no longer in pursuit of perfecting his skill."- <br /><br />You once declared your intention to focus harder on your artistic technique (around the time of the Niagara Falls drawing). No big deal. But, if someone were to take that to an extreme theoretical definitive, then...<br /><br />... My comment is to say that if a person is to carry your expression of interest to mean absolutely every strip you produce MUST have that level of dedication and discipline, then you would be required (only in the theoretical sense) to formally declare an intention to depart from the rigor of your craft. -<br /><br />What I probably should have said is that one shouldn't require a formal declaration from you to be excused from changing the way you illustrate, be it for that day or forever. But, notice of a permanent change would be appreciated by the fans.<br /><br />I apologize for the confusion. I'm originally from NJ, and tend to be quite a smart-ass. But, it usually goes right over the heads of others.]<br /><br />[-"On another note, Scott's business concerns/model have obviously shifted from the point craftsmanship of original art to teaching and personal celebrity."-<br /><br />I have no personal problems with your business model (i.e. your comic, webcasts, books, appearances, etc.) If I could do it, I would. I have no problems admitting that.<br /><br />But, you're putting A LOT of time into your webcasts and uStreams, forums, and twitters vs. your actual craft. You told Merlin Mann that it only takes you about an hour to draw a strip. That's not alot of time for the centerpiece of your business.<br /><br />(http://leasticoulddo.com/) There's a post under today's comic at LICD where Sohmer talks about how many people it takes to do what you're trying to do. <br /><br />You've been stretching yourself thinner and thinner over the past three years. And, after PVP hit the ten-year mark, you started to really push the personal appearances over the actual books. So isn't it possible that your fans might notice this in your work?] <br /><br />It's your business, and you can do what the hell you want with it. But, you shouldn't be so sensitive about our discussing what you put out for us to see.<br /><br />You said, -"My business model and my art are two separate interests."-<br /><br />No. Your art is at the very center of your business model. Let's face it. Without Skull, where's your brand recognition?<br /><br />Or, shall I say "was at the center". Which was my point to begin with. You're so focused on being the star and defending your personal/public image, that your on the road to being the next Perez Hilton.<br /><br />-"Honestly guys, that's just ridiculous. I've done so much to push my art this last year. It's sad you can't see that."-<br /><br />Yes, we have. And, haven't you noticed that more of the posters here are going out of there way to point out what they do like? That's a direct result of your last big visit to PVPMMS.TheOriginalJeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00421469673726761084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-86811100653826305702009-08-20T12:11:40.637-07:002009-08-20T12:11:40.637-07:00Jes: Well, my reply was very poorly written, anywa...Jes: Well, my reply was very poorly written, anyway. There are a lot of trees that can be seen if you miss the forest. For instance, the book-to-painting example is purely a case of reference -- it's not POSSIBLE to sample or "trace" a painting from words. The example of musical sampling being in poor taste seems debatable to me -- fans are always up in arms over sampling, but I'm not much aware of any consequences or if sampling is too hard to prove (Or of the musical artist scene at all. I'd not be the right person to ask). I should have said "Of course it is... depending on what, specifically, you're talking about", initially.<br /><br />And, Scott, if you have questions (Or really feel like making a point), I would <i>urge</i> you to ask them of artists who you respect and trust; I'm just the random caustic guy on the Internet who you may or may not suspect of malicious, rabble-rousing "look at me" intent (Or: "trolling"). I would recommend that you query them without giving away your own opinion or the reason (Your own situation) behind the questions first. It's very kind of you to ignore that I might just be the worst artist in the world (No, I'm not saying I am) so that you can explain again (We all know your stance on this already) that you don't have any reason to take advice from unproven strangers. Still, it seemed like you were repeating bits of what I'd already expressed back to me, as if I did not believe them. Maybe we disagree on the "you're only good enough to not trace things 98% of the time instead of 100%" point, though. To still be tracing photos at YOUR level is a crutch. While I can't disagree that you can learn from doing it (I would merely emphasize the "YOU", and then disagree with it), I must say that you should only be LEARNING from those excercises -- not publicating them. <i>Referencing</i> is an even better tool for growth, because you have to learn how to produce artistic similarity <i>every</i> step of the way, and not just when you accidently fail to trace accurately.Jaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050713941578754388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-70218234735240337332009-08-20T11:28:03.429-07:002009-08-20T11:28:03.429-07:00Jess,
My business model and my art are two separa...Jess,<br /><br />My business model and my art are two separate interests. I want to make a living and provide for my family while promoting my work at the same time.<br /><br />But I think that two panels of a comic strip where I admittedly traced a photo for the purposes of making it seem more realistic to a real-life photo is hardly an indication that I've given up on being an artist.<br /><br />Honestly guys, that's just ridiculous. I've done so much to push my art this last year. It's sad you can't see that.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14414050319555116067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4989649127373312714.post-44909136717175456932009-08-20T11:25:19.675-07:002009-08-20T11:25:19.675-07:00Jai,
First of all, I'm going to ignore the fa...Jai,<br /><br />First of all, I'm going to ignore the fact that I'm pretty sure you can't even trace photos as well as I do. That's not a personal attack against you, it's just that I have a hard time taking artistic advice from people who can't draw better than I can. I have little to learn from them.<br /><br />Second let me say that I agree with your statement that tracing a photo and altering only a few things is a really crappy way of establishing a style.<br /><br />However, it is a great tool for learning and teaching yourself anatomy and caricature. For me it works a lot better than referencing a photo and trying to replicate it.<br /><br />Drawing on TOP of the photo itself, lets you see immediately if you're, say, putting a nose as high on the face as it needs to be.<br /><br />At first, your art will look like you traced a photo but as you learn and practice you'll start to figure this art of caricature out and not need to trace, only reference.<br /><br />I teach myself on the fly as I post my strips. And clearly the remaining 98% of the time it's obvious that I'm capable of creating and maintaining my own artistic style.<br /><br />I can even do caricatures in my style of people that does not require tracing (i.e. the Whale Wars guy).<br /><br />But when I want to represent a real-world person (say the cover of a Twilight book or a Superman TV show) I find this tracing method gets me the results I desire and I learn in the process.<br /><br />Jai, I think you need to find a new hobby outside of dissecting my work. You seem way to eager to knock me down a peg.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14414050319555116067noreply@blogger.com